India – In a State of Spirituality
I have been trying to post an article around it for a long time now but I am not getting the required information on that. I am looking for the number of Babas (Spiritual Guys) that are available in India.
Is there any organization that keeps a record on these ? Is there any body that maintains the information about them ?
You must be wondering why I am asking this. Well there are various reasons.
First, I am 1000% percent sure there is no database for such information, but still to keep the things open I am asking you all. If there is any then I would like to check it out.
Second, I am neither in favor of these kind of people nor I am against them. I just want to know how many of people are there in India who are expert in making fool out of the world. That too in mass, in public and open.
Third, Is there any track of their property. Are we going to ever touch them. Would we even make any rule and regulation for them or they would just keep fooling us. I understand its up to us whether we get fooled by someone or not. But at least when are robbed then there should be some kind of justice to the people. I know Police is there. But is there any preventive control.
I have asked so many questions and frankly speaking I don’t have answers to any of them.
What do you guys think ? Do you support these babas ? Do you think we should have a control body for them?
One more thing. Just a food for thought, How many temples do we have in India ? I can have a track of Mosques because there is a body behind that which controls of building new mosques without permission. Its not like you put a Lekshmi Ganesh statue on someone’s property and start praying there for 10 days and then it becomes a public property. That place can not be demolished and the funniest part is that our government supports it. There is an act I read somewhere which prohibits to demolish any temple in India. Bloody hell first get an act in place which controls building them. If we dedicate and build a temple for every god in India, just imagine the land acquired by temples in India keeping in mind that we have over billions of Devi-Devtas.
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There may be more than 10000 of them around the world. But I don’t understand the point. What do you want to prove by that.
Thats the point, you don’t know that you’ve been fooled. What else I can say.
kuldeep, the govt controls all major temples in India. quite unlike the freedom accorded to mosques and churches, the govt appoints an apex body(consisting of the civil servants) that owns so to speak all the revenue that a temple generates and only allows part of it to the temple authorities.
for example, if the tirumala temples generate 10 crores a year, the govt can decide to take away EVERYTHING and give nothing back !
do keep that in mind when starting this crusade against temples.
as for your questions about temples, isn’t it the same about mazars and dargas ? if you have been around India you will find that there is representative presence of all religions as far as small places of worship goes ! and for your kind information, there’s NO overall body that controls all mosque construction in India, where did you get such a ridiculous idea ?
on the other hand, where did you get the idea that there’s a law that bans demolition of temples or that it somehow becomes “public property” ? temples are regularly demolished for developmental purposes and no one utters a word about it.
mosques, on the other hand are quite another matter, that becomes a political and religious issue even if it is essential for development for infrastructure.
do one thing, get someone who knows about kolkata and ask him or her what happened when the authorities tried to demolish a mosque that was build straight in line of runway no2 at kolkata airport, raising huge safety concerns and eventually forcing all large airlines off that runway. the mosque still stands by the way, wasting thousands of crores in public money. ask yourself, what would have happened if it was a temple ?
it would have been demolished the first day it’s presence would have been discovered.
please don’t mislead people with misinformation, there enough bias against hindus as it is. in a so-called secular country they don’t have the right to manage their own place of worship and people like you, not satisfied with it continue to demonise them.
shame on you. the stench of this hypocrisy is unbearable.
My dear friend I don’t know where you live but you come in Delhi and I will show you 10 different places where there is a temple built at places where it should not have been.
And regarding that act thing. I know english and I understand it so I know what I read. I am searching for that text again. I will definitely provide it to you. The problem is that if one want to search anything about indian government, you can not because the information on their website is crap, and the act of Right to Information is a clean bullshit.
Also, I would request you to provide me the text where its written that our government gets all the money that any temple gets. Please, I would love to see that.
And your Calcutta thing, Muslims come under minority in India thats why they take advantage of such things. That again is our own government created problem.
A really great point of view you know!
But don’t completely agree with you – you’d better think about tolerance in that sphere – that is a better way to prevent any political troubles!
here kuldeep, look at this : http://www.commonlii.org/in/legis/num_act/rea1863249/
http://www.preservehinduism.org/
http://www.hindujagruti.org/activities/campaigns/religious/save-temples/petition.php
let me quote :
“The Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowment Act which originally had its merit is one main issue causing this situation. Through this Endowment Act only Hindu Temple are taken over by the government which allowed complete control over the temples. All appointments, property, finances, renovations, pujas etc. are monitored and controlled. Mosques and churches are free from government control and are not included in the Endowment Act. ”
and pray tell me which is “body behind that which controls of building new mosques without permission”. since you are telling me you can keep track of new mosques, share the information with us.
and if you can’t admit that you were fibbing and apologise for misleading your readers.
Like you read it on a non government website I also read it somewhere. The problem we are facing is that we don’t have a robust platform yet from where we can get the information pertaining to our country.
kuldeep, that’s ridiculous because such a thing DOES NOT exist. regulating the religious affairs would be a serious breach of the personal freedom of Indian citizens.
just because you read it somewhere (in this day anyone can write anything on a blog) does not make it correct.
if you can’t find at least have the minimum honesty to acknowledge your misinformation and delete that comment from your blogpost.
least you could do.
ha ha.. leave it man.. what personal information you give when you go to a temple or a mosque.
And I was talking about in general, any information related to website. Why do you think US and UK has their 1000’s of websites setup ? Is that to breach their citizen’s personal information. Grow up boy. And you would have a personal information which is not known to the whole world. I don’t. Most Indians would know that I am an Indian and belong to Hindu religion.
Second, I am neither in favor of these kind of people nor I am against them. I just want to know how many of people are there in India who are expert in making fool out of the world. That too in mass, in public and open.
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in the same sentence you are saying “I are not against them” and then calling them charlatans !!
who are YOU trying to fool my dear sir ?
might I ask who are YOU to judge if they are fooling people or not ? if anyone is amassing wealth by illegal means it is up to the law to catch them, not random members of the public.
vigilante justice is much worse than no justice.
anyone knows that there are enough laws against fraud and like to catch the crooks among such people and they do get caught.
and since you are so concerned about the country why not read this election pamphlet (2nd line from top) and tell me what you propose to do about it ?
pay close attention to the word in parentheses !
http://zoomindianmedia.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/t_sun06-congress-is-islami-isai.jpg?w=450&h=610
or do you agree with him, nothing could be better than “shahar se hinduoka naam o nishan mitana hai”
If tomorrow I create a poster like that and start talking about Muslims. Does that make All Hindu’s in this world against the whole Muslim community. You need to understand that a small group of people can spoil the whole religion/community/world.
And please don’t comment anymore, I will not approve because you don’t seem to debate on the topic. I never wanted to discuss this regional discrimination on my blog. Never.
My dear friend I don’t know where you live but you come in Delhi and I will show you 10 different places where there is a temple built at places where it should not have been.
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of course there has been. people also piss in places where they should not, spit red paan all over government offices, park in places not allowed to and get their dogs to poop in the middle of the road. so what ?
muslims also build mosques and dargas all over the place and these NEVER get demolished even if there was a serious need.
while temples in odd places get demolished all the time. (and rightly so !)
all that is part of lack of general civil sense. I really don’t see why hindus and their place of religious worship needs to be selectively targeted.
why ? is it a crime to be a hindu ? is it some fault that can’t be rectified unless they are killed off en masse ?
how different is the temple endowment act from the zaziya imposed on hindus by the bigoted genocidal aurangzeb ?
it’s sad that the modern Indian state continues that practice.
and people like you continue to support it without thinking about it.
article link for that pamphlet.
http://www.offstumped.in/2009/10/19/indian-secularism-is-sick/
here is this fellow, openly advocating making the city free of hindus (I shudder to think how he wants to achieve that) and yet no one, neither the great secular media nor the election commission utters as much as a word. and you want to launch a jehad against the babas !
talk of misplaced priorities !
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I just want to know how many of people are there in India who are expert in making fool out of the world. That too in mass, in public and open.
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incidentally, I can say the same about the TV shops that advertise “lose 15 kg weight in 4 days” and so on ? what about the numerous cheat funds that steal crores of rupees ?
why are the babas a higher priority than these ?
another link on the temple endowment issue.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/SC-brings-temple-lands-under-endowments-department/articleshow/1037645469.cms
I note with interest that you have nothing to add on the pamphlet of the worthy !
no self-righteous rhetoric or the moral grandstanding that was in evidence against the babas !
well well ! double standards coming to the fore ?
Its not a question whether a temple is ok or mosque, but that it is not required or is unwanted at corner of road or on footpaths. We dont want to start temple or mosque anywhere . Thats the point. It hampers modernisation of city. I support Kuldeep partly.
The title of post is wrong, Spirituality and Religion is different.
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That is what I have been trying to tell people here. That its not about Temple or Mosques, its about the ethics.
in which case you were very inarticulate indeed. your post doesn’t give that impression.
Are Indians spiritual? Just because there are places of worship strewn all over the place does not mean that Indians are spiritual. How many people understand what the priest says in a place of worship? If Indians are spiritual, why is there so much ethnic, religious, caste and class intolerance? I think Indians are more superstitious than spiritual.
There are any number of goons who illegally build a place of worship and claim the periphery as their own – a safe land grabbing technique considering that the Government is scared of touching anything related to the so-called spiritual.
You may be able to count the babas who wear traditional baba dresses. But there are many babas who walk around in business suits giving away their spiritual wisdom free of cost to unsuspecting colleagues in the corridors of corporates. You may never be able to count them.